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What are your views on the impact of the re-election of George W. Bush?

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Lord Byron
 14 Aug '17  07:54 : 0 recs

Lets help our enemies become strong, its the smart move
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Slightly Optimistic
 12 Aug '17  08:50 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 12 Aug '17  09:05

Remarks in the US on the Chinese position outlined by Global Times below.
If NK attacks US, China will be neutral. If US attacks NK, China will support NK.

There's no scenario where China supports US

A former PM of Australia, Kevin Rudd, commented on US TV on his article in the FT: Creative diplomacy vital to defuse Korean crisis
China needs North Korea as a buffer, and fears what leadership would emerge if government of NK is removed. Essentially a grand bargain is needed between US and China:

1. We want end of the nuclear programme in NK and the elimination of the existing arsenal and associated ballistic missile programme
2. What China wants?
a. A peace treaty between the US and NK - we've been in a state f war technically with NK since 1953.
b. diplomatic recognition by the US of the NK regime
c. Possibly a tripartite security guarantee by the US, by China, by Russia for the regime for the future [what former secretary of defence under Bill Clinton, Bill Perry, wants]
d. Tricky one, perhaps solved by good diplomacy: If we get all the above would the US be prepared to consider a staged withdrawal of its forces from South Korea in order to produce a genuinely neutral Korean peninsula?

Has the United Nations a role?
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Slightly Optimistic
 11 Aug '17  12:18 : 0 recs

Interesting comment here on China's allegiance.

China should be neutral if North Korea attacks US – Global Times
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Slightly Optimistic
 11 Aug '17  10:04 : 0 recs

Beijing Warns U.S. Over Navy Patrol in South China Sea
freedom of navigation operations near contested islands and reefs across the South China Sea are meant to show that the United States does not accept that China or any other claimant can legally challenge an American naval presence in the area.

But in separate statements, China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Ministry of National Defense accused the United States of stirring regional conflict . . .

Mr. Trump has pushed China to use its influence to compel North Korea to stop its missile tests and nuclear weapons development. On Thursday, he suggested that he might spare China trade penalties if it did more to curtail North Korea. “If China helps us, I feel a lot differently toward trade,” he said.
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Goel
 10 Aug '17  15:57 : 0 recs

More on the DNC hacks/leaks, if anyone cares:

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack


G.
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Lord Byron
 09 Aug '17  07:54 : 0 recs

Bible outsells oxford ppe course summary
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Warren BuffetCar
 08 Aug '17  21:55 : 0 recs

Goel,

It looks like that mass of idiots aren't going to get a border wall paid for by Mexico after all. At what point does the penny sink in that they've all been scammed?

We all know those people on facebook. They pray to Jesus every weekend. They've lost their job, their spouse ran off with someone else, their baby died and they've got a serious illness. But they still love Jesus.

Trump is like a religion to these people. There was already a fence/wall... except for natural barriers like rivers and mountains where it would be prohibitively expensive, and pointless. Trump has now finally said he's pretty much going to deliver what is already there.

Similarly Trump said he'd take away the rights of new immigrants to access welfare and other payments until they've been in the country 5 years. His supporters loved the policy. The only issue is that it was passed by Bill Clinton 20 years ago.

Trump is a lot like Brexit. He motivates people to support him not because they'll be better off (they won't). Its because he says he's going to bash others on their behalf. He'll bash Mexicans, Muslims, gays, transgenders, secularists etc. That's enough for his supporters.

WBC
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Warren BuffetCar
 08 Aug '17  21:44 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 08 Aug '17  21:45

Goel,

What a desperate choice: Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump. What a desperate nation.

A friend described to me how the US system appears to work.

You pick the two people you'd least like to see as president, and then people get to vote for them.

And the one that gets the least votes is made president.

WBC
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3dc
 08 Aug '17  19:36 : 0 recs

Targeting...
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Lord Byron
 08 Aug '17  08:56 : 0 recs

The man who broke britain
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George Sore Ass
 04 Aug '17  10:59 : 0 recs

Seymour Hersh two different versions

“I hear gossip,” Hersh tells NPR on Monday. “[Butowsky] took two and two and made 45 out of it.”

They then say the audio expressly contradicts this, which it does appear to. Although it's a little unclear the context of the audio, so it could be that Hersh as an experienced investigative journalist is relaying information he received, but that for whatever reason, he doesn't entirely accept without further corroboration.

What is interesting is the conclusion that the conspiracy theorists draw from Hersh's statements. It's that old chestnut. "He's been got at".

I mean, they've posted audio to prove that Seth Rich was the leaker, and therefore claim success in proving their conspiracy theory correct. Aside from the small little issue that the very same audio claims the killing was indeed a botched robbery, and that Hillary was absolutely not involved.

And yet when Hersh questions the conclusions from the conversation that Butowsky draws, the immediate response... they just can't help themselves.... "he's been got at".

I mean they say this without any sense of irony.

They really seem to think that Hillary has paid goons go around roughing up and threatening a respected investigative journalist for suggesting in a recorded conversation that Hillary didn't organize the killing of Seth Rich or have anything to do with it.

It's bonkers.

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George Sore Ass
 04 Aug '17  10:24 : 0 recs

Also worth noting that yet again wikileaks are going out of their way to draw attention to evidence that Seth Rich leaked documents to them, while at the same time refusing themselves to actually confirm it.

I mean, it's like me being a defence lawyer, and having my client tell me that he committed a murder. And because confidentiality, I can't tell the cops or the world he's guilty. So instead, I spend my time on twitter posting links to whatever evidence I can find to suggest my client is guilty, while at the same time claiming I can't confirm if he did it or not, because I have a duty to him to protect the confidentiality of our dealings.
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George Sore Ass
 04 Aug '17  10:17 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 04 Aug '17  10:19

Mingtoo,

I think this audio doesn't really help the conspiracy cause at all. In fact, it only seems to completely absolve Hillary, and raise questions about the involvement of others.

1. The conspiracy theory was that Hillary had him killed. She didn't. The whole thing about proving Seth Rich was the leaker was to show there was a motive for him to be killed, and therefore strongly suggest Hillary was responsible. But this audio only seems to confirm there was no conspiracy to kill Seth Rich by Hillary or anyone else connected to the DNC.

2. The audio suggests that Seth Rich contacted wikileaks and offered some juicy email samples, and said "I want money". Does wikileaks routinely pay people to provide documents to them? I am pretty sure that isn't how it works. But let's say that is what happened. Wikileaks got the emails, so presumably Seth Rich got the money he was asking for. Who paid that money?

Trump's son and various campaign bigwigs were setting up meetings with Russians, who were promising juicy information damaging to Hillary. And we have a guy inside the DNC apparently asking for money in return for releasing damaging info on Hillary, who apparently did release them and so, it's reasonable to assume he got paid.

Who paid Seth Rich to release all the emails? It's a good question, isn't it?

George
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Goel
 04 Aug '17  05:10 : 0 recs

...the mystery is why Americans voted for him as their president.

That's a little unfair - I understood fully at the time that Americans wanted anyone but the Clinton continuity candidate.

What a desperate choice: Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump. What a desperate nation.


G.
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Goel
 04 Aug '17  04:25 : 0 recs

Well, whichever way you look at it, this makes the man look like an insincere, incompetent, impotent oaf:

“The fact is we are both in a little bit of a political bind, because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall – I have to.”

Referring to the Mexican president’s insistence that he would not pay, Trump said: “You cannot say that to the press. The press is going to go with that and I cannot live with that. You cannot say that to the press because I cannot negotiate under those circumstances.”


Trump to Peña Nieto: border wall not so important – just don't say you won't pay

Presumably this Whitehouse transcript was leaked by someone who means to do Trump down. The thing is, it sounds so much like you'd imagine, the mystery is why Americans voted for him as their president.

It looks like that mass of idiots aren't going to get a border wall paid for by Mexico after all. At what point does the penny sink in that they've all been scammed?


G.
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ssaines
 03 Aug '17  21:14 : 0 recs

Seymour Hersh Owes The World An Explanation For His Seth Rich Comments
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/seymour-hersh-owes-the-world-an-explanation-for-his-seth-rich-comments-f9b2756123d3
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MingToo
 03 Aug '17  18:05 : 0 recs

Wikileaks publicises Seymour Hersch interview in which he says that Seth Rich was the source of the DNC email leak but that the killing was a botched robbery.

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Lord Byron
 31 Jul '17  07:32 : 0 recs

http://www.finance.ox.ac.uk/education

We all chinese now
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Slightly Optimistic
 29 Jul '17  17:50 : 0 recs

Improved Bretton Woods.
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Lord Byron
 29 Jul '17  15:10 : 0 recs

China first
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