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Merlin
|  14 Apr '07 10:14 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 14 Apr '07 10:14
The profile of the offenders: as regards the recent spate of the black-on-black young men knived to death, I think (but cannot prove it, due to the lack of data) that these crimes all fit into a pattern; the pattern being West Indian youths committing racially-motivated murders on African youths.
All the victims have had African names. From what little I could glean, there was a Leroy or similar amongst the perpetrators, but, since they are mostly under age, there is an understandable ban on releasing their personal data.
But, from what I know about the inter-racial relationships, particularly amongst the youths, having spent 17 years studying them more closely than I'd care to, I think that it is a Caribbean vs African race-related conflict, which has a potential to blow up if we have a recession.
I can fully understand, though, why the Government may not care to over-analyse all this, as too much info tends to breed copy-cat crime.
So, just don't worry your sweet little head too much about this, Merlin. I hope you are being a good boy.
Thank you for your very informative post-and there was I thinking it was just black yoof.
Solving it is obviously a problem.
My own view favours atonement for slavery. Every time one of these little sods misbehaves send them to the west coast of Africa as a slave for a quid. That we repay our debts and solve a problem.
Yes of course I am being (fairly) good. |
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ssaines
| 14 Apr '07 04:04 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 14 Apr '07 04:05
OK, it was harder to find than I thought it would be. This is due to EU regs mandating adhesives be toluene free. There are water-based contatct adhesives here, but you know what? Eco friendly and everything, they just don't work and set-up the same. Ditto with solvent based enamels. If you want them to penetrate and stiffen the work (I do, the yield is multiples in stiffness, this is monocoque construction), then the solvent base, especially the thinner solvents, penetrates far better, and thus the depth of the bond (in most cases, not all)
Impact Cement
Yes, that's the term, 'Impact'...not 'Concussive'...hey, the mind stacks memories by association....it just hit me, and stuck. Rofl...I remember the term in the UK being as abstract this end as 'Contact' is that end. "Knock me up in the morning". Different meaning, different sticky situation.
I checked the Toronto Star for reference. It was a good one. Special headline feature on Blair's missive, by a Star Reporter based in London.
I'll supply direct url later if need be. Just got given some homemade chowder. Wow, it's good.... |
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ssaines
| 13 Apr '07 21:19 : 0 recs
Ha! Now I've really come unstauck!
Ummm...what do they call it: Hexane/Toluene vehicle...errr..Pressure Adhesive? Something like Concussive Cement? Rofl..I'm grasping at sticky straws...that's bugging me now! Rofl, I went through this ten years back in the UK. It is ubiquitous there too, but a completely different name.
Let me set-this work up, and get back to you. I've been working toward this for days. Must get it right. |
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zorro
| 13 Apr '07 21:13 : 0 recs
S Saines
Contact cement = Evostick? Contact glue? |
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ssaines
| 13 Apr '07 21:09 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 13 Apr '07 21:15
Zorro: I have glue drying, and very short of time (it is very unforgiving! Contact Cement has a short set-up time, I forget what they call it in the UK) but I virtually agree almost completely. My inquiries show it can be from outside of Kingston, but that is certainly the epicenter.
I think we have notes to compare! Almost the exact same characteristic is being displayed in two similar but manifestly different social structures: Toronto and London, each with approximately the same Jamaican population.
I'm glad , by observation at least, that we have narrowed this down. If you access the Cdn newspapers today, you will see much more on the topic. I suggest the thestar.com on this one, since it is far more a domestic Toronto newspaper.
Must run, will detail more later.
And I must add: *Most* Islanders are *exactly* the kind of immigrant we need and appreciate. Many of these folks have *impeccable* social standards, and to paint all blacks this way is patently unfair. If the PC gloves come off, then we best make damn sure we get the right target. We can help the vast majority of these good folks by isolating the cancer in their midst.
I speak from honest experience. Many *want help* in doing this! The problem isn't theirs, it is *Immigration Policy*...in Canada's case, the 'Family Reunification Act', a disaster for all here. What a mistake!
The UK stated a few years back that she was to learn from Canada's Immigration Policy. That has pros and cons. The con is manifest in the FR Act. There are many, many pros, but it appears we both have a lesson to learn on exactly the subject you raise.
I might add that the Jamaican Police are familiar with this, and deportees face rough justice when they arrive back in Jamaica. It is all that some of them understand, which raises the question: Then why are they admitted in the first place? |
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zorro
| 13 Apr '07 20:45 : 0 recs
S Saines
I agree. You could even narrow it down further and just say: Kinston, Jamaica. In so far as big towns exhibit the negative characteristics more acutely.
As for the etiology of this sort of behaviour, there are a few obvious factors at play, some of them being: the unfortunate family structure that involves young women, unprepared for motherhood, having to cope on their own; macho values, so that young boys are encouraged to exhibit socially undesirable characteristics being under the misguided impression that they make them more manly; and, last but not least, drugs.
I think that a lot is down to good Jamaican blokes taking the bit between their teeth and actually hanging around with the mothers of their children in order to be role models, rather than taking off with more 'baby mothers'. It would be a start... |
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ssaines
| 13 Apr '07 20:27 : 0 recs
Zorro: I can confirm your observation as being the case here too. But I do have to make a clarification on this! An extremely important one!
It is not suffice to state "West Indies". Let's get far more specific, since we are already well past being PC:
They are *Jamaican*! And they do this to *other* "island" nations' youth too! Most West Indies (and Jamaica is not a 'Caribbean Island!' as I'm reminded by many excellent West Indian citizens of this nation) islands have next to zero crime, and extremely 'christian' values in family matters. It is only in Jamaica (and even there it is fractional) that displays these...ummm...'non-traditional' values.
It is essential that protections be in place in immigration matters to protect against this infusion. As well as being a threat to non-Jamaicans, it is a threat to those wonderful Jamaicans that themselves get tarred by this.
"I left Jamaica to get away from these kind of people, why does Canada let them in?" - A Good Jamaican friend.
It is essential to maintain dialogue with these good people. They are even more marginalized by it than we are. Very unfairly so.
More to add later, just a quick note to support your observation. |
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zorro
| 13 Apr '07 19:54 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 13 Apr '07 20:37
Merlin
The profile of the offenders: as regards the recent spate of the black-on-black young men knived to death, I think (but cannot prove it, due to the lack of data) that these crimes all fit into a pattern; the pattern being West Indian youths committing racially-motivated murders on African youths.
All the victims have had African names. From what little I could glean, there was a Leroy or similar amongst the perpetrators, but, since they are mostly under age, there is an understandable ban on releasing their personal data.
But, from what I know about the inter-racial relationships, particularly amongst the youths, having spent 17 years studying them more closely than I'd care to, I think that it is a Caribbean vs African race-related conflict, which has a potential to blow up if we have a recession.
I can fully understand, though, why the Government may not care to over-analyse all this, as too much info tends to breed copy-cat crime.
So, just don't worry your sweet little head too much about this, Merlin. I hope you are being a good boy.  |
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Merlin
| 13 Apr '07 17:45 : 0 recs
OK can we have a profile of the offenders to see if there is a pattern here. Or would that not be PC ? |
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Waterloo Sunset
| 12 Apr '07 17:22 : 0 recs
you rotter c, see you down the pub? |
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little c
| 12 Apr '07 17:11 : 0 recs
I confess. |
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Waterloo Sunset
| 12 Apr '07 16:22 : 0 recs : edited 2 times : last edit 12 Apr '07 16:23
What happens when you never discipline children and they learn that there is no healthy adult-child contact allowed and that, at the end of day, noone will smack them one whatever they do?
Errr. Yep, they smack each other and then turn into mentally ill adults all righteous about rights and denying any and all responsibilitiy (as taught by their parents). in short they ARE NOT BOVVERRED any more
Love em to death.
Oh, you lot have
Rats. If only everyone was nicer. Is that the USA's fault....? Surely
WS
p.s. has someone mugged Biff at Clapham Junction? Heres hoping |
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