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Motty
|  10 Feb '09 10:49 : 0 recs
Well, people dont eat any english food here. Maybe Scottish, yeah.
so much so of MCD. |
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3dc
| 21 Oct '08 03:43 : 0 recs
Alice and the rabbit are drinking tea little c.
Real men are drinking beer and watching baseball or US football. |
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little c
| 06 Oct '08 10:09 : 0 recs
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Slightly Optimistic
| 17 Aug '07 16:09 : 0 recs
Agricultural policies all over the world are being rethought by national governments. This is because many countries are coming under pressure to become as self-sufficient (protectionist) in food as possible. Where does this leave Doha?
Crops for biofuel are exacerbating the problem. The UN is thinking about a new rule-set. UN urges rethink on biofuels
The bans in other countries on UK cattle imports have long been a sign of protectionism in agriculture. |
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Comrade X
| 17 Aug '07 07:56 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 17 Aug '07 07:56
Comrade Slightly Optimistic,
I hadn’t got that far down the page – thanks for that!
In his one hundred days as an elected dictator Roosevelt had the power to make those decisions arbitrarily.
In this era political decisions have to be ‘justified’ even if that means ignoring common sense. It can even lead to ‘evidence’ to support absurd actions.
As you suggest, nowadays it’s often an item on the hidden agenda that gets the vote.
There may be a cryptic link here between the USA then and the EU now.
The farming policy of the New Deal had to deal with a number of problems caused by ignorant and avaricious farmers, the Dust Bowl springs to mind.
Comrade X. |
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Slightly Optimistic
| 16 Aug '07 15:59 : 0 recs
Wikipedia shows that 'New Deal' solutions in the US, in response to the Depression, were hugely protectionist.
Roosevelt was initially in favor of balancing the budget, but he soon found himself running spending deficits in order to fund the numerous programs he created.
Roosevelt was keenly interested in farm issues and emphasized that true prosperity would not return until farming was prosperous. Many different programs were directed at farmers. . . Some crops were ordered to be destroyed and some livestock slaughtered to maintain prices. The idea was that the less produced, the higher the price, and the farmer would benefit. Farm incomes increased significantly in the first three years of the New Deal. However, consumers bore the brunt of higher food prices and were "horrified with its policy of enforced scarcity".
An inspiration for the common agricultural policy in the EU? |
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Comrade X
| 16 Aug '07 15:11 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 16 Aug '07 15:11
Comrade 3dc,
Interesting stuff about tree planting in the USA - thanks for that.
It sounds like it may have been part of Roosevelt’s New Deal
I have been unable to find anything else about the tree-planting scheme but presumably it was on land acquired by the US government as a result of loan defaulters. That would explain why it was cheap. The labour and materials would also probably have been New Deal resources.
I suspect that the difference between the USA then and the EU now is the motivation for the schemes and also the level of corruption. By that I mean that there is currently no one starving in the EU and in the USA at that time there was a genuine need and desire to help people get back on their feet.
In the UK agricultural land is relatively cheap but there are restrictions on what can be done with it. For example, if I wanted to have a log cabin surrounded by new trees I would be given a hard time by various authorities. If however I bought some established woodland and then put a log cabin in it – no one would know I was there unless they used Google Earth!
Comrade X. |
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Warren BuffetCar
| 16 Aug '07 13:05 : 0 recs
Comrade X wrote:
If however I bought some established woodland and then put a log cabin in it – no one would know I was there unless they used Google Earth!
I suspect the planning authorities either have their own spy satellites, or they can borrow a black helicopter from the UN to see what you are doing in your wood land.
Best thing is to build a bunker underground. The authorities can't see it, and as a bonus you can probably survive a nuclear war too. So everybody wins.
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Merlin
| 16 Aug '07 08:24 : 0 recs
Be grateful you are not in England here they would stop you building on your own land |
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Comrade X
| 16 Aug '07 08:10 : 0 recs
Comrade 3dc,
Interesting stuff about tree planting in the USA - thanks for that.
It sounds like it may have been part of Roosevelt’s New Deal
I have been unable to find anything else about the tree-planting scheme but presumably it was on land acquired by the US government as a result of loan defaulters. That would explain why it was cheap. The labour and materials would also probably have been New Deal resources. I suspect that the difference between the USA then and the EU now is the motivation for the schemes and also the level of corruption. By that I mean that there is currently no one starving in the EU and in the USA at that time there was a genuine need and desire to help people get back on their feet.
In the UK agricultural land is relatively cheap but there are restrictions on what can be done with it. For example, if I wanted to have a log cabin surrounded by new trees I would be given a hard time by various authorities. If however I bought some established woodland and then put a log cabin in it – no one would know I was there unless they used Google Earth!
Comrade X. |
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ssaines
| 16 Aug '07 05:46 : 0 recs
Indeed Condor! There were a number of government incentives back then that in retrospect, were extremely prescient.
Black Walnut is very much in demand, there's in fact a marked shortage of it, most of it desired for building acoustic guitars.
Cherry orchards were another prescient foresight. Not for the cherries, but for the wood. Back in the thirties, they used it for *painting*...can you imagine? It took paint well. That would be the last thing you'd do to it today. When they rip down old buildings, even some of the softwood beams are harvested now, most notably red pine, which is a wonderful wood to work with. They thought the stands would last for generations. It was all used-up in one generation!
It's even better recycled, as it is more stable and dried then when first used. |
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3dc
| 15 Aug '07 19:29 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 15 Aug '07 19:30
Comrade X -
I do not know if it is still the case but South Dakota had a "shelter belt" law dating from the dust bowl 30s where if you declared some piece of land "shelter belt" the state would come in and plant any tree type you wanted and take care of it. The land became TAX FREE for the duration.
I knew some people that bought 660 acres (1 sq mile) and put the whole thing into "Black Walnut" trees when they were in their 20's. When they retired - the harvest was very valuable.... very.. look at the cost of Black Walnut lumber and veneer.
At the time they bought the land in the 60s it was very cheap too! (about 6.50-100$ per acre now much much more with no taxes). |
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Comrade X
| 15 Aug '07 10:58 : 0 recs
Comrade Waterloo Sunset,
I quite agree. Let’s have less sentimentality and more information based decisions. I am continually reminded that we live in the information age so let’s see some practical use of it.
I’ve only just had a chance to read this 'news' item.
I think it confirms what I posted a few days ago; It’s cheaper to slaughter the sheep and undermine a thriving business than to do proper observations that might cost more than the value of the asset. Disgraceful!
Here’s another painful example of observations not being recorded.
BBC News
I have seen numerous examples of ‘professionals’ not recording information vital for future decision making. Worse still I have documentary evidence of medical discharge notes that transmitted incorrect information to our GP.
I supose it's reassuring to know that they are only human!
Comrade X. |
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Waterloo Sunset
| 15 Aug '07 08:58 : 0 recs
X,
A sentimental vet !!! We keep horses and dogs you know. I have a low opinion of doctors and think vets are worse as they choose animals that dont answer back at all !!
In my opinion the uneccessary treatments they give are both theft and cruel to the animals.
Also, most vets are bizarrely USELESS at actually handling animals. We live in newmarket and the vets there, allegedly the best horse vets oin the country,. dont evn know how to approach a horse while keeping it at ease. I dont exaggerate X, we have seen it with tens if not hundrteds of vets over the years
Did you know that in 7 years training they do virtually no animal psychology at all!!
Smash the doctors guild, and smash the vets guild says Waterloo. They are closed shos that rip us off and provide sh1te service. There is nothing else you buy where you would even consider jumping through the hoops and pulling of forlocks that doctors and vets demand
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Comrade X
| 15 Aug '07 08:28 : 0 recs
Comrade Waterloo Sunset,
He didn’t actually say he had no intentions of visiting any of the sites of the ‘infection’ but I suspect he won’t because of other factors at this time. He was very upset by the previous charade and so has chosen not to look too closely at this one.Also he doesn’t know the background of those involved.
Comrade X. |
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Waterloo Sunset
| 15 Aug '07 08:06 : 0 recs
Indeed X, I was of course, pulling your leg. It looks like the susppected outbreak is probably not F&M
Still.....
I would suggest that official or otherwise, visiting potentially infected farms is somewhat inadvisable and should be avoided unless ESSENTIAL. Indeed, i think the difference between this time and last is that people are being a bit more sensible about bio security this time.
I wonder of your friend is repeating his trips to infected sites this time? I VERY much doubt it. Maybe last time...
Anyway, if there is a massive outbreak now we know exaclty who would be shrieking for a blame figure, in saine himself. But then, he should have been culled years ago IMHO 
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Comrade X
| 15 Aug '07 07:50 : 0 recs
Comrade Waterloo Sunset,
He lives in Kent. I will be no more specific than that as I haven’t asked his permission to disclose details of our conversation. The next time we meet I will ask him but I suspect by that time this event will have been overtaken by another headliner.
Comrade X. |
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Waterloo Sunset
| 14 Aug '07 20:23 : 0 recs
Moo
The bull told Waterloo that shipmate got beaten bad with the ugly stick |
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ssaines
| 14 Aug '07 18:50 : 0 recs : edited 2 times : last edit 14 Aug '07 18:54
Merlin: Examine the record. Folk is plural. There is one person and one person only throwing insults.
This is an absolutely prima-facia case.
Let me repeat:
ssaines
14 Aug '07 04:50 : 0 recs
Mr Sunset writes to 'X': tw*at. the "depth" of your thoughts is pathetic, f*cking non-existent
If you dont know then shut up!
And then writes: X has gone, just leaving the foam mouthed drugstore behind
Oh dear
No comment needed.
Sunset then accuses me of being the problem.
How abstract does it need to get to clearly see the point?
Now you jumped in, Merlin, I want you to examine it again and see who exactly is the problem. I was having a high quality discussion with 'X'...with whom, btw, I disagree on a number of points, as well as agree. But our discussion was well referenced and researched. And it is highly rewarding and progressive. 'X' is a gentleman, and I'd love to cross paths and have a cup of tea sometime. (I rarely drink alcohol save for romantic situations)
Best you read back! You've jumped in, now I'm going to hold you to your actions.
It needs no explaining to WBC. |
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Warren BuffetCar
| 14 Aug '07 18:08 : 0 recs
I think Waterloo has got mad cow disease. |
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