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Motty
|  09 Feb '09 21:21 : 0 recs
i think uk public sector pay to own employees too much.
internal control? cartel? |
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3dc
| 21 Oct '08 03:43 : 0 recs
Alice and the rabbit are drinking tea little c.
Real men are drinking beer and watching baseball or US football. |
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little c
| 24 Jun '08 15:20 : 0 recs
Public sector pay is rising. |
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Waterloo Sunset
| 01 Oct '07 09:13 : 0 recs
yes SO, you and Saines and others kill all discussion that dissents from your view on ideoplogical or indeed (and tragically) simple factual grounds, because discussion is not what you seek.
I have had a shower (always makes me feel better after reading saines dirt) and I think my parting words to Serious Topics will be these
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.
T'was Grace that taught...
my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear...
the hour I first believed.
Through many dangers, toils and snares...
we have already come.
T'was Grace that brought us safe thus far...
and Grace will lead us home.
The Lord has promised good to me...
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be...
as long as life endures.
When we've been here ten thousand years...
bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise...
then when we've first begun.
"Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me....
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see
I do hope one day you will see. I suggest discussion where you actually pose and answer questions is the path. One day you may feel strong enoiugh to attempt it. I hope so. in the meantime I have tried to help and failed. I am sorry for you.
Waterloo Sunset |
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Thoughtful
| 28 Sep '07 11:26 : 0 recs
Yep they have all forgotten about Blair and Iraq and Al Qaeda and Railtrack and Dr Kelly and Stephen Byers (by the way where did he go?)....................
The British electorate vote on the last few weeks not the last few years or at least many Labour voters do! |
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Merlin
| 26 Sep '07 08:55 : 0 recs
Oddly Iraq seems muted. Let us get our troops back as soon as possible. |
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agnostic
| 25 Sep '07 21:47 : 0 recs
As the Labour Annual Conference meanders on its way, is it Iraq, the date of the General Election, or public sector pay that has become the biggest elephant in the hall? Nobody seems to want to talk about any of them ... might just cause the ship of happiness to list a little. |
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Merlin
| 23 Sep '07 12:08 : 0 recs
Seen it myself too. As soon as a project gets a steering group with coloured bits of paper that is the time to walk away. |
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agnostic
| 23 Sep '07 10:03 : 0 recs
Merlin:
Believe me, I know. Once upon a long time I was a junior member of a team trying to develop a major project (TSR2) for the Ministry of Defence. In terms of requirement, it was like dealing with a phantom. One day it was there, a week later it was somewhere else. One was left with the frustrating feeling that one could never actually get hold of it ...
Although in theory one person was responsible for the Operational Requirement, just below him there were so many people thinking of new tweaks and additional needs ... moving target, indeed.
So eventually they cancelled the whole mess (at vast cost) and bought American. And then they cancelled that, at even more cost. |
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Merlin
| 23 Sep '07 09:29 : 0 recs
Truer than you know. In my game which sometimes touches these areas- it surprising how much effort goes into procurement -without first defining what is required.
''Tell me what you want please''
Invariably produces an unclear answer followed by strong advice from yours truly to stop until that is clear. |
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agnostic
| 20 Sep '07 12:08 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 20 Sep '07 12:09
Merlin:
Exactly so. It isn't their money. It's ours.It's just that they are in the happy position of being able to spend it, and by no means always wisely.
"After handing out £200mn to a bunch of software specialists to develop a system, and then making their task almost impossible by changing our minds about exactly what it is that we want every few weeks (although "exactly" is a laughable exaggeration) we have now decided we can do without it/need something completely different/wish to start again with a new contractor (delete those choices which do not apply)." |
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Merlin
| 20 Sep '07 11:24 : 0 recs
The idea that Parliament and politicians have a clue about public expenditure and waste is laughable. |
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Slightly Optimistic
| 18 Sep '07 17:28 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 18 Sep '07 17:29
And from a recent debate in the House of Lords:
Every Government need checks and balances, especially when there is no written constitution. Our checks and balances have been unsettled by recent government action. The judiciary feels threatened by the Home Office rearrangement. The position of the Lord Chancellor has changed; the position of the Attorney-General has been questioned; and further announcements have been made about constitutional reform that might also undermine the bulwark of this House still further.
We do not want a House built of straw, especially when the Parliament Acts will cease to have much of their purpose if this House is to be wholly or largely elected. In my view, there is nothing but your Lordships' House standing between the so-called "elective dictatorship" of a slim majority in the other place and the people.
Waste of £80bn a year plus questionable foreign policy decisions - no wonder the House of Lords are worried their powers as a constitutional check are inadequate. |
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Slightly Optimistic
| 18 Sep '07 16:42 : 0 recs
Time to recap:
The constitutional checks and balances are supposed to operate continuously to prevent huge waste in public funds. WS seems to think they operate at least every five years. Anyway,
The annual waste is lower, say £79bn, thinks WS? Leaving aside foreign policy decisions of course.
However, enough of the usual nonsense from him. If the audit of public finances had been more effective, the political parties wouldn't have had to perform their own calculations. |
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Waterloo Sunset
| 18 Sep '07 16:34 : 0 recs
There no evidence for that at all
Precisely!  |
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Slightly Optimistic
| 18 Sep '07 16:16 : 0 recs
Many concerns have been expressed about the lack of constitutional checks and balances. Waste of £80bn+ a year can't be addressed.
Earlier this year there was a debate on one constitutional check - the House of Lords.
Two of the contributions were:
1. In considering this debate and listening to the many speeches that we have heard today, I am still no further forward as to exactly what the House of Lords is expected to do, what functions it performs, whether it represents value for money and whether it is necessary at all.
2. Today's Prime Minister is immeasurably more powerful than the monarchy that was overthrown by Parliament in the civil war. Charles I never exercised a fraction of the power over supply and legislation that is enjoyed by modern Prime Ministers. Even when Lord Hailsham coined the phrase "elective dictatorship", he can never have imagined a House of Commons as cowed by the Executive as the House of Commons today. |
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Merlin
| 18 Sep '07 13:15 : 0 recs
There no evidence for that at all |
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Slightly Optimistic
| 18 Sep '07 13:06 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 18 Sep '07 13:19
The constitutional checks and balances are supposed to operate continuously to prevent huge waste in public funds. WS seems to think they operate at least every five years. Anyway,
The annual waste is lower, say £79bn, thinks WS? Leaving aside foreign policy decisions of course.
However, enough of the usual nonsense from him. If the audit of public finances had been more effective, the political parties wouldn't have had to perform their own calculations. |
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Waterloo Sunset
| 18 Sep '07 11:46 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 18 Sep '07 11:47
However these controls are not effective.
stuck record.
every 5 years max there is an election SO. this control is effective. I think you lament the votes other people cast. Tough. Such is society SO, the majority rules and that isnt you and likely never will be (although given your refusal to elucidate any of your views at all, period, it is admittedly hard to tell where you lie in relation to the majority. missing in action might be a better category for you SO  )
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Slightly Optimistic
| 17 Sep '07 18:30 : 0 recs
Personally I wouldn't have a health service at all.
No political party shares your view, Merlin. They all want to be elected.
Additional protections for the people of the UK include constitutional checks and balances. However these controls are not effective. It astonishes me that the public is, and has been, obliged to meet £80bn plus of waste every year for so many years. |
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