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Warren BuffetCar
 23 Jun '17  19:54 : 0 recs

George,

I salute him for putting the interests of petty xenophobes ahead of his own self interest.

WBC
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George Sore Ass
 23 Jun '17  09:59 : 0 recs

Brexit f*ckwit regrets 'leave' vote

“The reason I voted to leave was that I'm in favour of sovereignty. This was about sovereignty for me.

“As businessmen we need clarity about our future direction.

“If I don't have my 2,500 staff that I need, or I have no certainty of that from 2019 onwards, I don't have a business. It's as simple as that.”


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George Sore Ass
 23 Jun '17  09:52 : 0 recs : edited 2 times : last edit 23 Jun '17  10:02

KPMG warns UK firms in denial over brexit

There still seems to be an expectation in business that the UK will do some kind of deal with a transition and that nothing much will change, or not immediately, so they can wait to see longer term. It's heads in sand time.

Last year, the brexitters were convinced that the UK was strong, united, and sitting on a strong economy, while the Eurozone was ailing and likely to breakup. They thought they held the cards. Now the UK economy is the one ailing, inflation on the up, growth the weakest in the entire EU and with a government that is relying on the clockwork orangemen to stay in power. Even the weaker EU economies like Portugal are now in recovery and growing well, with budget deficits within the 3% limit (unlike the UK).

The EU is holding all the cards even more so now that their economy and political strength is on the up, while the UK is falling apart. The remainers were right. And so the UK is going to have to eat sh1t to get at the very least a transition deal to kick the can down the road for 5 years, or face the prospect of dropping out with no deal.

Remember, there simply is not enough time now, even if they started tomorrow, to put all the required customs staff, facilities, processes, training and so on in place to trade with the EU under WTO rules. Car plants and other factories relying on just-in-time deliveries will have to store far more components, because you cannot operate JIT when customs clearance might take an unspecified period, but that means extra space and money tied up in stock. Airports don't have the facilities to process all EU visitors as outsiders, while EU airports only have to treat British people differently, so the impact on them is much less.

The UK will either have to accept whatever terms the EU proposes, or face an economic crisis. While there will be an impact on the EU, it will be far smaller, so they have less to lose. And there could be no more convincing argument for EU membership than seeing what happens when a previously successful economy decides to leave and go it alone. The EU could cement membership for a generation by hanging the UK out to dry.

KPMG are right. The UK is in denial. The UK will either have to accept a deal which will (given its weak position and the EU's strong position) be a very bad deal. Or it will have to suck its chest up and act proud and go it alone, and descend into self-imposed chaos and economic collapse.

Here's hoping for a hard brexit just so I can listen with amusement as pub bores across the country blame it all on the beastly foreigners 'punishing' the UK by not continuing to give it the benefits of membership of a 'dictatorship' they insisted we must leave (curiously in a democratic vote).
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Thoughtful
 22 Jun '17  09:34 : 0 recs

Do others remember when politicians were politicians and not actors ?
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Thoughtful
 22 Jun '17  09:34 : 0 recs

Same with the C of E , a useless organisation obsessed with self gratification and money !


No wonder other religions are thriving at their expense !
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Thoughtful
 22 Jun '17  09:29 : 0 recs

As for the banks and fraud enquiries ?

It was the Goverrnment and Gordon Brown that should have been investigated !
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Thoughtful
 22 Jun '17  09:28 : 0 recs

The whole general election and state opening of parliament has been a huge waste of public money and resources SO.

The result is a state of chaos in politics and the exact opposite of a strong and stable government that was declared the purpose of a general election !

Talk about management by objectives !

The problem with the UK isn't the industry and commerce and the people , it is and always has been the inefficient and useless succession of governments that we have had to endure !
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Slightly Optimistic
 21 Jun '17  13:45 : 0 recs

The price of minority governments?

DUP 'put £2 billion price tag' on deal to keep May's Tory government afloat
The party has asked for a £1bn investment in Northern Ireland's health services and a similar amount for infrastructure projects, according to BBC NI.
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Thoughtful
 20 Jun '17  11:47 : 0 recs : edited 5 times : last edit 20 Jun '17  12:03

It is no good burying our heads in the sand , the Ostrich syndrome !

In areas like Handsworth and West Bromwich and Smethwick in the Midlands , the mosques and Temples are well funded well maintained and very well attended !

The C of E churches are decaying run down and barely attended ?

Hence it is obvious that other religions are thriving and growing at the expense of Christianity !

So we should ask why ?

At the same time austerity is breeding discontent and resentment against authority , that is made worse by the poor running of public services and the perceived inefficiency in local and national government . That causes frustration .

Private industry has to be profitable , public services do not !

Many who have worked and been displaced in competitive private organisations are very resentful of those who appear to have jobs for life in public services and that all causes resentment .

In times of stress and austerity people need some one to blame , history has been through such stages many times and indeed it continues to be so !

Religion is a competitive business and always has been , hence missionaries and the like in past years !

Religion doesn't really teach tolerance at least the C of E doesn't and we hear how the west is supposed to be composed of infidels and disbelievers . The Jehovas witness's preach a different version ?

It is fallacy to believe that religions don't compete with each other !

The answer is in education , learning about each other and how other religions function !

We should ask if the world would be a better place without religion ?
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Thoughtful
 20 Jun '17  08:28 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 20 Jun '17  08:29

The news on BBC and Other channels isn't reflecting reality .

What is said in public and in private is different !

In the Midlands there is a wave of resentment against immigrants and tge way in which many areas have become ghettos and no go areas !

Local councils and government have created such a situation with housing policy , older generations resent it more than the younger generation .

The mistakes were made years ago .

We must also remember that the majority of the UK population do not follow any religion !

Indeed the C of E has been in rapid decline for years , very few people these days go to church ?

Religion has always caused conflict , it has been so for thousands of years !
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Thoughtful
 20 Jun '17  07:20 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 20 Jun '17  07:20

Meanwhile it appears the cladding on some tower blocks is within the inside , the windows are moved outwards creating wider internal window sills !

Effectively creating a layer where fire can spread between flats inside the windows !

Those living in such places require answers within days not months and if necessary they should be evacuated pending safety checks !
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Thoughtful
 20 Jun '17  07:15 : 0 recs : edited 2 times : last edit 20 Jun '17  07:22

If Barclays executives are being charged with fraud then so should Gordon Brown and the executives at HBOS and Lloyds !

Lloyds had billions of tax payers money and was almost ruined by Gordon Brown requesting that they take over the defunct HBOS without disclosure !
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Thoughtful
 20 Jun '17  07:08 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 20 Jun '17  07:11

The UK is a nation without government !

We believe we have a government but in reality it seems we don't have an effective government !

Meanwhile watching the news is not good for us!

The BBC and other news channels seem to milk each story for as much air time as they can , cheap TV .

Terrorism is made worse as more and more copycatting appears to be happening !
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ssaines
 19 Jun '17  16:01 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 19 Jun '17  16:03

He's a Tate and Lyle man.

Sticky...

Edit to Add: Just accessed the second link. Unreal..
Brexit is a golden opportunity for businesses like Tate & Lyle Sugars.
My cavities spark...
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cynic 09
 19 Jun '17  14:41 : 0 recs : edited 2 times : last edit 19 Jun '17  14:48

David Davis will be UK PM before the next Bank Holiday, whenever that is.

You heard it here first.

He's a Tate and Lyle man.

You know it makes sense
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zorro
 18 Jun '17  15:31 : 0 recs

Thoughtful

So is the governor of the B of E a sabotouer ?

His policies are certainly not helping the UK or the pound !


Why should they? He is a Goldman Sachs man, regardless of nationality.
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cynic 09
 16 Jun '17  16:34 : 0 recs : edited 3 times : last edit 16 Jun '17  16:43

drawing on Britain's glorious past, without much reference to the present or the future
I've finally given up on May and the Tories.

Let's cancel Trident and build a few more dreadnoughts.

Stealing a march on Europe
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Warren BuffetCar
 16 Jun '17  16:22 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 16 Jun '17  16:23

George,

In the short term, the EU issue can only be put to bed by some kind of compromise that the majority can accept to the point where the headbangers on either side of the debate will let it rest.

I don't see a compromise working. If we have a "soft" Brexit, then the UKIP type nutters will argue that our declining standard of living and falling pound is due to our ties with Europe. I honestly think this won't be settled until we have a hard Brexit.

I'm sure they'll still blame the EU for treating us unfairly and not giving us a great deal. But people need to see that free trade and free movement have helped our economy boom, and that cutting it off doesn't make life better. Perhaps after 10 to 15 years of seeing our economy falling behind Europe (as we did in the 1960s) we'll be clamouring to rejoin - this time with the Euro and no rebate. Its sad that most of the people who voted leave will have long since died (helped along with the collapse of the NHS).

WBC
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ssaines
 16 Jun '17  13:09 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 16 Jun '17  13:15

Meanwhile Ken Livingstone just said on TV that all similar cladding should be removed from high rise buildings ?

Canada has vastly more high-rise than the UK, and the immediate question was: "Could that happen here?". The immediate response was "No, it's banned, as it is in most of the developed world, for good reason" (Not to mention the insulation value of the material, the ostensible cause d'etre in the UK, is next to zero).

All my architect and builder friends are in absolute horror as to how something so incredibly prone to doing what it did is so widely used in the UK.

"Terrorism?" It starts with incompetent politicos. Criminal responsibility goes right to the top on this.
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George Sore Ass
 16 Jun '17  11:00 : 0 recs

If there were another referendum on the EU most people assume it would result in an overwhelming remain vote !

So should the UK be given a chance to change its mind ?


I think the public is still split down the middle on the issue. Maybe it might tip the other way, so a narrow remain victory. But that only knocks the ball into play again, Farage will return, the Tory press will rally around the issue, the reversal will be seen as treachery and a case of 'voting again until the right result' is reached. It's a sideshow, as you say many people voted against the EU in the referendum because they were essentially voting against the political establishment and the well off, educated classes. That's why the conservative assumptions that UKIP deserters would vote Tory was so misguided. The obvious anti-establishment vote was for a more left wing Labour party.

The rest of the EU looks far more solid now since Brexit. There was a piece in the Guardian couple of days back, from a European slightly sarcastically thanking the British people for their sacrifice in innoculating the remainder of the EU against nationalism and separatism.

Britain's fundamental problems are

1. Lack of opportunity and social mobility, and inequality
2. A long held nationalism, bordering on jingoism, fed by the tabloids and drawing on Britain's glorious past, without much reference to the present or the future

But these are long term issues to solve.

In the short term, the EU issue can only be put to bed by some kind of compromise that the majority can accept to the point where the headbangers on either side of the debate will let it rest.
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