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What now for America and The World?

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PaxAm
 05 Nov '08  17:30 : 0 recs

Mr. Obama is likely to be a challenge for foreigners on several levels.

1. The cover of public Bush hatred is gone - replaced by almost euphoric acceptance among European, Asian, African and South American public opinion. Leaders of other countries will no longer be able to dismiss challenges and requests for cooperation from America by throwing everything in the Bush basket.

2. The cover of "imperial" style, American security is going to be pulled back. As much as many professed to hate this - challenges will emerge that could prove costly as this trend progresses. America remains well able to protect itself, but may not be as concerned about current allies in the same way.

2. Obama will be exposed to a strong protectionist backlash to free trade and outsourced jobs. He will want to reduce America's external energy purchases and return production back to America regardless of higher costs. Nothing will be sacred here including NAFTA. Mr. Saines points out that a Democratic administration negotiated NAFTA, but he forgets to remember that Clinton had a Republican congress. Obama will have a Democratic congress and the greatest antagonism to NAFTA comes from Democrats.

The biggest card Canada has to play in any NAFTA renegotiation is the price of oil. But its a weak card for two reasons.

1. Oil is suddenly available everywhere at lower prices. Production has increased everywhere and soon Iraq will be online. Producers will find it harder to bargain.

2. If a renegotiated NAFTA includes the penalty of higher prices for Albertan crude - Obama may be actually pleased. He seems intent on reducing American oil consumption, not increasing it. He also wants to truly increase alternatives.

I see the greatest promise in Obama regarding a truly nationalistic, American energy policy that takes into account foreign versus domestic sources, the reduction of demand for foreign sources and the larger, American strategic security interests in not paying foreigners for fuel.

BTW - if current, favorable production trends in the natural gas sector continue - the US may become a net exporter during the Obama administration. That will not be his achievement - but it will strengthen his hand in energy policy formulation.
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ssaines
 05 Nov '08  17:07 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 05 Nov '08  17:12

Sunset: You are the bigot.

McCain himself spoke of the need to re-embrace America's friends. That, of course, escaped the genius Sunset.
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Waterloo Sunset
 05 Nov '08  17:02 : 0 recs

"The World is not anti-American, it is anti-Bush".

This assertion is about to be tested.

And found to be the lie that we all know it to be of course

The 8 year bigot party is over. How will you hate Obama? Its going to be interesting seeing you try to.

WS
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Jungle
 05 Nov '08  16:55 : 0 recs

Another look at GMOs I would think:

The GM genocide: Thousands of Indian farmers are committing suicide after using genetically modified crops

''The authorities had a vested interest in promoting this new biotechnology. Desperate to escape the grinding poverty of the post-independence years, the Indian government had agreed to allow new bio-tech giants, such as the U.S. market-leader Monsanto, to sell their new seed creations.

In return for allowing western companies access to the second most populated country in the world, with more than one billion people, India was granted International Monetary Fund loans in the Eighties and Nineties, helping to launch an economic revolution.

But while cities such as Mumbai and Delhi have boomed, the farmers' lives have slid back into the dark ages.

Though areas of India planted with GM seeds have doubled in two years - up to 17 million acres - many famers have found there is a terrible price to be paid.
Far from being 'magic seeds', GM pest-proof 'breeds' of cotton have been devastated by bollworms, a voracious parasite.

Nor were the farmers told that these seeds require double the amount of water. This has proved a matter of life and death.
With rains failing for the past two years, many GM crops have simply withered and died, leaving the farmers with crippling debts and no means of paying them off.

Having taken loans from traditional money lenders at extortionate rates, hundreds of thousands of small farmers have faced losing their land as the expensive seeds fail, while those who could struggle on faced a fresh crisis.

When crops failed in the past, farmers could still save seeds and replant them the following year.
But with GM seeds they cannot do this. That's because GM seeds contain so- called 'terminator technology', meaning that they have been genetically modified so that the resulting crops do not produce viable seeds of their own.

As a result, farmers have to buy new seeds each year at the same punitive prices. For some, that means the difference between life and death. ''

Worth looking into a bit more, I would hope.
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ssaines
 05 Nov '08  14:36 : 0 recs

Here is the view from Sweden on Trade with the US:
Published: 5 Nov 08 11:15 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/15472/20081105/

Amid the excitement in Sweden over Barack Obama’s victory, there remains real concern among members of the political and business establishment over how the US president-elect will approach the issue of free trade.

* Sweden welcomes Obama (5 Nov 08)

“Our hope is that he doesn’t follow through on what he’s said about free trade,” Moderate party secretary Per Schlingmann told The Local.

In the course of his campaign, Obama made a number of statements which raise questions about his support for free trade.

“If we continue to let our trade policy be dictated by special interests, then American workers will continue to be undermined,” he told an audience at a campaign rally in Michigan in June.

“Allowing subsidized and unfairly traded products to flood our markets is not free trade.”

Among other things, Obama also called for trade agreements with tougher labour and environmental protections, as well as a renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) linking the US with Mexico and Canada, the benefits of which he said had been “oversold” to the American public.

Obama’s positions worry free trade advocates who fear the president-elect’s less than enthusiastic support of free trade may portend a more protectionist attitude on the part of the United States.[...]
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Abject Failure
 05 Nov '08  14:34 : 0 recs

What a night!

I was fortunate enough to be on a business trip here in NYC to witness the event.

Congratulations to america!

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ssaines
 05 Nov '08  14:03 : 0 recs : edited 2 times : last edit 05 Nov '08  14:39

Absolutely: Trade Ideas!

Edit: In all seriousness:
1) Stimulus
2) Energy
3) Health Care

Health Care remains a very devisive issue in the US. It will have to wait until well into his rein.

On Energy, Nafta is unavoidable, and is Obama's 'out' to his keeping trade open.
Here's why: (and a caveat, the following is a biased view, not my best choice, but enough to introduce readers to the issue)
A Message to Canada’s Political Leaders: Stop Ducking Obama's NAFTA Challenge

Posted September 30, 2008 in [Trade]

As Canadian civil society organizations, we hereby call upon Canada’s political leaders during this (Canadian) general election campaign to respond clearly and unequivocally to US presidential candidate Barack Obama’s challenge to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). While some of Canada’s leaders have spoken out for and against renegotiation, it’s high time that all federal political parties declared their positions and plans concerning the renegotiation of NAFTA within the current election campaign.

Senator Obama issued this challenge during the US primary race, declaring that NAFTA is not functioning well for the majority of working people and the environment in the US. As a result, the platform of the Democratic party convention promises “to work with Canada and Mexico to amend the North American Free Trade Agreement so that it works for all three” countries.

For Canada, there are plenty of good reasons for renegotiating NAFTA after almost 15 years. Chief among them is the energy chapter which includes the “proportionality clause” that compels Canada to continue exporting this country’s oil and natural gas resources to the United States, even if these exports result in domestic shortages here at home.

Canada has less than 13 years of conventional oil reserves and only 8.9 years of natural gas supplies available at current rates of production. Any decision by a Canadian province or federal government to cut back on oil and gas exports for the sake of conservation, greenhouse gas emission reductions, the creation of jobs in the petrochemical industry or diversion of petroleum to eastern provinces could be forbidden by NAFTA’s proportional sharing obligations.

The proportionality clause would compel Canada to continue its oil and natural gas sales to the US at the same rate as they were exported over the previous three years. Currently this means that Canada would be obliged to make two-thirds of our domestic oil production and 63% of our natural gas production available for export to the U.S.

Not only is Canada’s energy security at risk, but so are this country’s freshwater resources. Today, there are rapidly growing water shortages emerging in the Southwest, Midwest, and Southeast states of the US. By 2015, almost a quarter of America’s medium sized cities and nearly one-fifth of its largest cities are expected to be facing serious water shortages. If one or more Canadian provinces turn on the tap to export freshwater to the US, the proportionality clause will automatically be activated, guaranteeing a continuous, uninterrupted flow. [...]

A Message to Canada’s Political Leaders: Stop Ducking Obama's NAFTA Challenge

The US would lose substantially if Nafta were reopened. I've written extensively on Chapter 11 over the years, but since it is something that US rant sites don't discuss, then it is something the US posters (save for the late Jerry Doggett) on these forums have no idea about.

It makes Palin look more the fool than she does at first glance. It is something that McCain, however, was very aware of. McCain is a bright, honourable man. He self-destructed, however. That was not just he himself. It is the Republican Party in disarray.
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little c
 05 Nov '08  13:54 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 05 Nov '08  13:54

Trade is generally quite a good idea, Stephen, although what to trade is always an interesting question. Any ideas?
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ssaines
 05 Nov '08  13:43 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 05 Nov '08  13:52

One major concern for Canada and the ROW is growing protectionism. Any major Cdn newspaper will have a piece on that today, as the US and Canada are the two largest trading partners in the World, by far.

I find the fear, relative to a McCain victory, as unfounded. It was a Democratic Pres and Congress that signed NAFTA, and the FTA before it (sans Mexico).

Obama is far too pragmatic to allow an agreement that has benefited all three nations so much to be abandoned. In fact, the US is more in need of Cdn energy than ever before, so renegotiating NAFTA would be a disaster for the US, as per Chapter 11 of the Agreement, the infamous "proportionality clause".

You will note that 3DC, for instance, not just a McCain supporter, but a Palin supporter, rails against NAFTA.

Interesting times. I predict the Republican Party schism is going to get far worse, perhaps even a split.

Edit to Add: Here's reference for my protectionist claim:
The changing times mean Canada must focus on finding shelter from a wave of protectionism expected in Congress, persuading Washington's new power brokers that U.S. and Canadian jobs are linked, and possibly, selling Canada as a path to reducing U.S. dependency on Middle East and Venezuelan oil, analysts say.

With opinion polls predicting that Mr. Obama, the Illinois Democratic Senator, would easily triumph over Arizona Republican John McCain, capitals around the world have been preparing for an Obama administration.

For Canada and Mr. Harper's government, it opens an opportunity similar to pressing a reset button on Canada-U.S. relations. But it also means vying for the attention of a new president facing a daunting mix of international and economic problems.

"There isn't much of a track record of interest on the part of Obama," said Allan Gotlieb, Canada's ambassador to Washington from 1981 to 1989. "The challenge will be to engage him in the Canada-U.S. file."

Mr. Obama is from a northern state, Illinois, that trades heavily with Canada, but unlike Mr. McCain, did not visit Canada to burnish his foreign-policy credentials, he noted.

Some of the issues that earned credit with Mr. Bush's administration, such as increased military spending, and Canada's role as a staunch NATO ally in Afghanistan, will still be appreciated in Washington, as Mr. Obama has pledged to make that mission a priority.

But a bigger Canadian concern will be a Democratic president backed by a heavily Democratic Congress riding a wave of protectionism fuelled by economic recession. The question is how Canada manages it, many analysts say.[...]

Canada quietly adjusts to Obama's agenda
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ssaines
 05 Nov '08  13:34 : 0 recs

Well let me rephrase this, 'c': As WBC (I think it was) wrote in another forum:
"The World is not anti-American, it is anti-Bush".

Exactly.
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little c
 05 Nov '08  13:16 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 05 Nov '08  13:19

Greetings from little c. In a profound sense, Stephen, we all write on behalf of ourselves. How can I possibly write on behalf of Waterloo, for example, when I am more of the sunrise and he is more of the sunset?

I cannot hope to represent the British or European or world perspective. All human expression is, in a profound sense, autobiographical. This is little c.

As for President Obama, I have never met him. I first saw him on British television in 2006, and he impressed me tremendously. He has my full endorsement today.

Here in serious topics, we wish Barack Obama, the American people and the rest of the world well. Welcome to the third millennium (CE).
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Waterloo Sunset
 05 Nov '08  13:09 : 0 recs : edited 1 time : last edit 05 Nov '08  13:10

What now for America and The World?

The same, reality.

Reminds me of, ooooh..... Blair!

Can we fix it? YES WE CAN

Things can only get better. In 99 out of the last 100 years they have

WS
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ssaines
 05 Nov '08  13:04 : 0 recs

Well 'c'....I was hesitating from writing that both you and I were the earliest proponents to tout "President Obama" in these fora.

It was very clear to me, and to you, evidently. But note! The three US contributors got it wrong! There's a clear lesson there: Many Americans who write on behalf of the US...in fact don't. They write on behalf of themselves, and understand the sentiment of their nation less than many outside. I admit, it is easy for me, having spent so much time in the US, and living 'across the street'.

The World congratulates the return of the US to the fold.
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little c
 05 Nov '08  12:52 : 0 recs : edited 2 times : last edit 05 Nov '08  12:53

Good morning, America. My name is c, little c. Welcome to serious topics. So what now for America and the rest of the world?

This is a good question to ask serious topics, Chris. What do you think? I would suggest a massive monetary and fiscal stimulus to the global economy in November 2008.

As for foreign policy, I would let President Obama get on with it today. Cheers (lunch)!
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Motty
 05 Nov '08  12:32 : 0 recs

Forth!
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Goel
 05 Nov '08  12:30 : 0 recs

And McCain second.



G.
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prudence
 05 Nov '08  12:30 : 0 recs

This thread is superfluous to requirements. Having overlapping forums does not assist debate..............
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Warren BuffetCar
 05 Nov '08  12:27 : 0 recs

first!
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